From the AHF:
Major General Robert Ivany, Ph.D. (b. Hungary, 1949)West Point Graduate; West Point (Army) Football Coach; Commanding General, Military District of Washington; Commandant of the War College; and currently President of the University of St. Thomas, Houston.
Three-year-old Robert Ivany, the son of World War II refugees from Hungary, immigrated to the United States with his parents following the war. He grew up in Cleveland and eventually graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1969. Over the course of his 34 years of dedicated service in the United States Army as an armored cavalry officer, he led soldiers in the United States, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Germany and Vietnam where he was wounded in action and decorated for valor. He assisted several nations in the transformation of their armed forces. In 1990, Robert Ivany was the first senior military officer invited to Hungary to contribute to the democratization of their defense establishment.
General Ivany taught history at West Point, coached the West Point football team, spent 2 years as an aide to President Ronald Reagan, and commanded forces throughout the world. In July 1998, Major General Ivany was assigned as the Commanding General, Military District of Washington. General Ivany's career culminated with his appointment as the 45th Commandant of the War College at Carlisle Barracks, the Army's foremost institution for educating its leaders. Dr. Ivany retired from the Army on September 30, 2003 and is now President of Houston's University of St. Thomas.
Dr. Ivany is a recipient of the 2006 Col. Commandant Michael Kovats Medal of Freedom from the American Hungarian Federation. He is also recipient of the General Dwight D. Eisenhower Award for Excellence in Military Writing. An expert on leadership development, he is presently conducting research on the leadership attributes of 20 generals and admirals who have transitioned to corporate leadership. In addition to earning a Bachelor of Science degree from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, he received a Ph.D. in Modern European History from the University of Wisconsin in Madison.
This week's Wednesday Hero suggestion comes from Sunny Kay
Col. Rick Rescorla is a multiple time hero. In 1957 he enlisted in the British Army and began training as a paratrooper with The Parachute Regiment of the 16th Air Assault Brigade. He went on to serve with an intelligence unit in Cyprus, a paramilitary police inspector in the Northern Rhodesia Police (now the Zambia Police Service). When his military career ended in England he joined the Metropolitan Police Service in London. But he found the paperwork too boring and quite at the behest of a friend who encouraged him to join the United State Army. Which he did.In 1963, Rescorla enlisted, with his friend, in the United States Army. After he completed basic training he attended officer training school and was assigned as a platoon leader in the 2nd Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile).
He was shipped to Vietnam and participated in the Battle of la Drang. While in Vietnam, he was given the nickname "Hard Core" by his men for his bravery in battle.
In 1968, Resorla became a U.S. citizen and continued his service in the Army Reserves until 1990 when he retired. In 1985 he joined a financial services firm, located in the World Trade Center, as security director.
In 1993, when the WTC was bombed, Rescorla was instrumental in evacuating people from the building. Afterwards, he enacted a policy in which all employees of the firm practiced evacuation drills every three months.
September 11, 2001. Rick Rescorla was supposed to be on vacation getting ready for his daughters wedding. Instead he was at work covering a shift for one of his deputies so that he could go on vacation. When American Airlines Flight 11 hit Tower 1, Rescorla ignored officials advice to stay put and opted instead to put his evacuation drills to use. While evacuating the 3,800 employees of his firm in Towers 2 and 5 he kept reminding them "be proud to be an American ...everyone will be talking about you tomorrow" and sang God Bless America over his bullhorn. When Flight 175 struck Tower 2, Rescorla had already evacuated most of the employees from his firm as well as many others from other floors. He then went back in, despite being told he needed to evacuate himself. The last known words anyone heard him say were, "As soon as I make sure everyone else is out". Tower 2 collapsed with Rick Rescorla last seen heading to the 10th floor looking for more people to help.
As a result of his actions that day, all but six employees of his firm made it out alive. One of those being him and three others being his deputies who followed him into Tower 2, Wesley Mercer, Jorge Velazquez, and Godwin Forde.
These brave men and women sacrifice so much in their lives so that others may enjoy the freedoms we get to enjoy everyday. For that, I am proud to call them Hero.
We Should Not Only Mourn These Men And Women Who Died, We Should Also Thank God That Such People Lived
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EU nations agree to new racism rules
LUXEMBOURG - European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who deny or trivialize the Holocaust.What I want to know is, just how carefully defined is the charge of "crimes against humanity"?[...]The proposed rules, which still have to be vetted by national parliaments, calls for up to three-year prison sentences for those convicted of denying massacres defined as genocide by the International Criminal Court, including the Holocaust and the mass killings in Rwanda in the 1990s.
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."
The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities be included were rejected.
[...]Member states can opt out of criminalizing massacres not defined as genocide by the international court.Ohhh. I see.
Why can't most EU nations* handle free speech? (And I classify "free" as in to the same degree American's do.)
What is so weak in the pan-Europa societal fabric that they are seemingly incapable of socially self-regulating (ie: shun, frown upon, ostracize, etc.) those wingnuts who actually believe for a second such an event as the Holocaust was nothing but an act of Allied propagation to garner sympathy for the Jews et. al?
Are European societies so fragile that a beer hall putsch can break out with only a mere racially-tinged whisper?
So weak are they, that they must limit free speech (however idiotic or hate-ridden) under penalty of legal prosecution?
(Hey, tit-for-tat, if some Zeropeans think they know American culture well enough that Charlton Heston should be held culpable for the Virginia Tech massacre, pan-European societal critique is fair game.)
*In all fairness, according to the article, Great Britain, Italy, Denmark several unnamed nations were concerned the rules would undermine freedom of expression.
Mark Steyn (A Culture of Passivity):
Point one: They’re not “children.” The students at Virginia Tech were grown women and — if you’ll forgive the expression — men. They would be regarded as adults by any other society in the history of our planet. Granted, we live in a selectively infantilized culture where twentysomethings are “children” if they’re serving in the Third Infantry Division in Ramadi but grown-ups making rational choices if they drop to the broadloom in President Clinton’s Oval Office.Heck, just bold the whole thing.Nonetheless, it’s deeply damaging to portray fit fully formed adults as children who need to be protected. We should be raising them to understand that there will be moments in life when you need to protect yourself — and, in a “horrible” world, there may come moments when you have to choose between protecting yourself or others. It is a poor reflection on us that, in those first critical seconds where one has to make a decision, only an elderly Holocaust survivor, Professor Librescu, understood instinctively the obligation to act.
[...] We do our children a disservice to raise them to entrust all to officialdom’s security blanket.
Jack M, over at Ace's, continues,
It's about a culture of expected weakness. Where people are taught "don't resist", "do whatever a gunman says", "play dead", "wait for help to arrive".[...] Our culture has undergone a lot of trends. But perhaps the most harmful is the devaluation in the concept of self-reliance.
When will we realize the "other guy" (be he or she the government, law enforcement, or someone of authority) will not always be able to protect us?
A dangerous illusion --- a conditioned exercise in self-deception, indeed.
Paul at Powerline on the death of Professor Liviu Librescu:
More than sixty years after his liberation, the rescued became the rescuer.Well said, Paul.
Peru coca farmers warn government By Dan Collyns BBC News, LimaThings have the potential to get real messy if Garcia doesn't follow through.Peru's striking coca farmers have given the government a 24-hour ultimatum to negotiate with them, threatening to continue their roadblocks indefinitely.
Thousands of farmers are protesting against a toughening of the government's coca eradication drive.
President Alan Garcia has recently announced an open war against the production of cocaine, of which the coca leaf is the basic ingredient.
Peru is the second largest producer of cocaine, after Colombia.
"Coca or death" is the mantra of the striking protesters, as the stakes have been raised on all sides.
Iraqi Christians forced to pay 'protection tax'
Christians in a Baghdad neighborhood are being required to pay a "protection tax" because Muslims have begun enforcing an Islamic law demanding either the tribute – or conversion to Islam, according to Christians in Iraq.Read on...The report from the Assyrian International News Agency follows on complaints from Iraqi Christians that they have been caught in a no-man's land between the Coalition forces and Muslim militants in Iraq, watching as their churches have been bombed, and men and women assaulted and killed.
The newest report said Muslims in the Dora neighborhood are forcing Assyrians, who also are known as Chaldeans and Syriacs, but who largely are Christian, to pay the jizya, the poll tax demanded by the Quran.
Christians – and Jews – must pay the tax "in exchange for being allowed to live and practice their faith as well as being entitled to 'Muslim protection' from outside aggression," the agency reported.
Other "Religion of Peace" items in the news...
3 slain at Bible distributor in TurkeyStand strong for the Lord, my brothers and sisters.
By BENJAMIN HARVEY Associated Press WriterISTANBUL, Turkey — Assailants tied up three people at a publishing house that distributes Bibles in Turkey and then slit their throats Wednesday, adding to a string of attacks apparently targeting the country's tiny Christian minority.
The killings occurred in Malatya, a city in central Turkey known as a hotbed of Turkish nationalism and is the hometown of Mehmet Ali Agca, the gunman who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981.
Malatya Gov. Ibrahim Dasoz said two of the victims at the Zirve publishing house were found already dead and the third died after being taken to the hospital. All had their throats cut and their hands and legs were bound, he said.
...Making up less than 1 percent of Turkey's 70 million people, Christians have increasingly become targets amid what some fear is a rising tide of hostility toward non-Muslims.
Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.Hebrews 13:3 (King James Version)
This week's Wednesday Hero suggestion comes from Anna
Have you heard of Chief Master Sgt. John Gebhardt? Maybe you have and maybe you haven't. CMSgt. Hebhardt gain some notoriety recently. Not for an action that he took on the battlefield, but rather for a picture(not shown because it is graphic) that was taken of him.In 2006, CMSgt. John Gebhardt was photographed holding a little Iraqi girl that had been injured. Her family had been attacked by insurgents. Both of her parents were killed, along with many of her siblings, and she had been shot in the head and left for dead. But she was tougher than that. She was brought to Balad Air Base Hospital where she was operated on and ultimately saved. As you can imagine, it was an extremely hard time for this little girl. Her recovery was hellish. But when CMSgt. Gebhardt would hold her, she seemed to be comforted. He spent many nights sleeping in a chair with her in his arms. The picture wast taken by a fellow airman while CMSgt. Gebhardt and the little girl were napping. Said CMSgt. Gebhardt, "I'm sure that probably just gave her some inner peace that she could reach."
These brave men and women sacrifice so much in their lives so that others may enjoy the freedoms we get to enjoy everyday. For that, I am proud to call them Hero.
We Should Not Only Mourn These Men And Women Who Died, We Should Also Thank God That Such People Lived
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Poland and Ukraine host Euro 2012
Uefa president Michel Platini said: "Today Poland and Ukraine have been chosen by the Uefa executive committee to host Euro 2012 and they are surely a worthy winner....What are we in, kindergarten? "Everyone is a winner! Yay! You didn't come in second, Timmy, you just came in after number one! Gold medals for everyone!""However there are no losers today, rather only bids that have not won this time round. "
I digress.
According to Uefa sources, Poland and Ukraine won in the first round of voting with eight of the 12 votes while four went to Italy and none to Croatia and Hungary.Such crap.
Not even one vote? Italy doesn't deserve a single vote after all the Serie A drama last year and yes, I realize Hungary and Croatia's infrastructure was probably lacking but c'mon. Not even a vote?
bah.
Anyhow, good for Ukraine and Poland. I'm not annoyed at them, moreso just that Hungary/Croatia didn't even get a sympathy vote.
Oh well. At least we are hosting the SuperLiga.
Via Rusty @ the Jawa Report:
Let the name of Professor Liviu Librescu be known for all time as a hero. Dr. Librescu survived the Holocaust and the Soviet labor camps. God spared his life from the two greatest evils of the 20th century, but chose to call him home at the hands of another evil. His sacrifice should never be forgotten.(Make sure to read the rest.)
Thank you, Lord, for such selfless, noble men as Dr. Librescu.
Greater love than this no man hath than to lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:14
Budapest Times: D-Day for football bid
Europe’s top football body UEFA will make its final decision on who is to host the 2012 European Football Championships on 18 April, and Hungary and Croatia’s joint bid is still in the hunt. While it is not certain Hungary and Croatia will win - especially since Italy is still in the mix along with a joint bid from Poland and Ukraine - the bidding committee will be crossing everything it can cross in the hope that the competition can come to Hungarian soil and regenerate the struggling game.Hopefully it'll be good news from the committee tomorrow.Opportunity to rebuild
Hungarian football is in a terrible state, but rather than try and hide the fact, the committee made this the basis of an emotive bid. In an official document handed to UEFA entitled “Give us a chance,” the committee paints a picture of a national game in need of a helping hand.
Tamás Gyárfás, chairman of the Hungarian Bidding Committee, acknowledged that Italy is much better placed in terms of infrastructure, fanbase and quality of football, but called on UEFA to address the balance between the rich and the poor.
“For a long time now European football has split into two camps: top dogs and also-rans,” he wrote in the bid. “If no helping hand takes care of those lagging behind, the distance between those ahead and those behind is bound to grow.”
And Hungary certainly is lagging behind. While in the heady days of Ferenc Puskás in the 1950s Hungary was considered the best national team in the world, the game is now in crisis. The national team has failed to qualify for a major tournament since the 1986 World Cup and does not look likely to reverse that trend soon, with the team well off the pace in the qualifiers for the 2008 championships. Club games draw only a few thousand fans, many of the stadiums are crumbling into disrepair and their most illustrious club, Ferencváros, is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
Reason #4,783 why the UD Alumni Association will never get a friggin dime from me.
Earth Day-related dining hall events plannedEr...4:41 p.m., April 16, 2007--UD Dining Services and Residence Life will sponsor a “Take Action” campaign in support of ecology, conservation and sustainability Monday-Friday, April 16-20, leading up to Earth Day, which will be celebrated across the country on Sunday, April 22.
Special programs will be incorporated into campus dining each day of the week and proceeds from the sale of special Earth Day cookies will be donated to World Vision, a nonprofit organization committed to conservation and sustainability efforts in Third World countries.
All week students will be provided with tips on how they can take action to conserve and recycle while on campus and encouraged to conserve water, energy and electricity. Other activities include:Uh...Dim the Lights Day--On Monday, April 16, Dining Services will dim the lights and experiment with different lighting levels in all dining locations to create an impact and conserve energy.
Tray-less Day-On Tuesday, April 17, food trays will be removed from all four dining halls in support of conservation research that shows that when trays are removed from the dining locations, less food is wasted and water and energy are conserved.
Weigh-the-Waste Day-On Wednesday, April 18, all dining halls will weigh the waste generated during dinner and a contest will be conducted for students to guess the total weight of the waste collected. Prizes include a portable DVD player for the student who comes closest to guessing the total weight of the waste. The dining hall with the least amount of food waste per patron will be rewarded with a tropical fruit bar station.Um...
This project aims to create awareness about the amount of food that is wasted daily in dining halls. The Rodney Complex sustainability committee will assist in the weighing and calculating of the waste generated in Rodney Dining Hall. Having completed a similar unannounced test on March 14, the committee is hopeful that there will be significant reduction in waste on April 18.flibbity flabbity...Know Your Ecological Footprint -- On Thursday, April 19, Dining Services will partner with the Rodney Sustainability Committee and other student groups to help students determine and understand their ecological footprint--the amount of land and water that is needed to support a given lifestyle. Literature and computing stations will be available to help students determine their ecological footprint at [www.myfootprint.org].
Earth Day Meal-On Friday, April 20, Dining Services will feature special menus enhanced by vegetarian, vegan and locally grown products.Does that mean no pizza and Cap'n Crunch?!?!?!?
“We see Earth Day as an opportunity to help the campus community engage in socially responsible activities that put into practice our shared commitment to the environment,” Sue Bogan, director of Dining Services, said. “The program also will help increase students' awareness of the environment and help them realize how individual actions and decisions impact our campus and beyond.”::cries::
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh.....
“The activities being offered will provide wonderful opportunities for students and other campus community members to better understand climate change and learn how to make simple modifications in their daily habits that will have significant benefits for all of us,” Kathleen Kerr, director of residence life, said.
“As global citizens, we all need to be more aware of how our actions and decisions affect us and the other ecosystems with which we interact.”If I remember correctly, this is the same University of Delaware that during "Global Foods Week" served chicken, corn, and something resembling collard greens on "African Foods night".
Not "African-American" food night, "AFRICAN" food night.
Yea.
Global citizens and such.
Not this company, but this one: Brazil breaks up 'killing firm'
Local police officers are suspected of involvement in the gang Brazil's police say they have broken up a gang suspected of carrying out about 1,000 contract killings in five years.When la policía are involved, it's realllllllllly bad.At least 20 people, including police officers, businessmen and hired gunmen, were arrested in the north-eastern state of Pernambuco.
Police described the gang as "Murder Incorporated" - a professional business operation hired to kill people over small debts, and out of revenge.
The north-eastern state of Pernambuco has the highest murder rate in Brazil.
Death squads involving serving and retired police officers have long been a problem in Brazil where shop-keepers sometimes use them against street children.
Alarm in Spain over al-Qaeda call for its 'reconquest'
Madrid - The emergence of a new al-Qaeda-linked organization in Northern Africa is alarming Spain, which is concerned about Islamists' calls for the reconquest of the country they regard as a lost part of the Muslim world.Sigh.'We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus,' al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb said on claiming responsibility for an attack which killed at least 24 people in Algiers on Wednesday.
Al-Andalus is the Moorish name for Spain, parts of which were ruled by Muslims for about eight centuries until the last Moorish bastion, Granada, succumbed to the Christian Reconquest in 1492.
The terrorists will undoubtedly attempt to extend their offensive from Northern Africa to European soil, anti-terrorism judge Baltasar Garzon warned, cautioning that Spain was at a 'very high risk' of suffering an Islamist attack.
I guess I better hurry up and take Mrs. Whatsakyer? on that trip to España antes esos putos estallan el lugar. (Poor literal translation: "Before those bitches blow up the place").
Thank to P$ @ Clarity & Resolve for the tip.
This week's Wednesday Hero suggestion comes from Lt. Schneider
Strength, perseverance and determination is how you would describe the family of SSgt. Keith Maupin. Because even though their son has been missing now for almost three years, his parents still haven't given up hope that he's still alive. Said his father, Keith Maupin, "I'm saying it ain't over till the fat lady sings and when she sings, I'm going to choke her. That's what I say. They're going to find Matt." His mother, Carolyn, was quoted as saying, "We're to keep our hope up. And praying until they can prove to us 100 percent either way. And that's what I'm going to do. And I realize we only have a 50/50 chance here, but I'm not going the low road. I'm going the high road"SSGt. Maupin, who was PFC. Maupin when he was capture and has since received two promotions, was reported MIA when his fuel convoy came under attack near the Baghdad International Airport. Along with Maupin was Sgt. Elmer Krause and seven employees of U.S. contractor Kellogg, Brown & Root. All of whom were either rescued or escaped. Seven days later, on April 16, Al-Jazeera aired a video tape of Maupin in which he was forced to admit that he was went to Iraq unwillingly. Then on June 28, 2004, Al-Jazerra reported that PFC. Maupin had been executed by a group calling themselves Persistent Power Against the Enemies of God and the Prophet. But no concrete proof has surfaced either way.
His parents have created a website called Yellow Ribbon Support Center if you would like to check it out. And while most in the media have forgotten Keith Maupin, Wednesday Hero hasn't.
These brave men and women sacrifice so much in their lives so that others may enjoy the freedoms we get to enjoy everyday. For that, I am proud to call them Hero.
We Should Not Only Mourn These Men And Women Who Died, We Should Also Thank God That Such People Lived
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Thanks for the all the smiles, Johnny.
God bless you.
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.1 Peter 1:17-21
NY Sun: A CEO With A Spine
The New York Coal Trade Association, headquartered in New York City, recently held its 94th annual banquet and meeting at the New York Hilton. One of the guest speakers was Bob Murray, founder and CEO of Murray Energy Corporation and probably one of the few CEOs brave enough to challenge the militant climate control movement that threatens the future of America's economy. In his speech, he dared to say that he regards Al Gore as the shaman of global doom and gloom. He is not joking when he says, "[Gore] is more dangerous than his global warming."Thank you for speaking up Mr. Murray and not cowtowing to these granola munching treehuggers (man, someone needs to come up with a more "hip" description for these hippies. heh)Unlike many heads of corporations who are taking their companies on that long green mile and caving in to the demands of environmental militants, Mr. Murray is fighting tooth and nail for what he says is, "the little guy that nobody cares about."
"Some wealthy elitists in our country," he told the audience, "who cannot tell fact from fiction [That means YOU, LeoNARDo DiCrapio --ed.], can afford an Olympian detachment from the impacts of draconian climate change policy. For them, the jobs and dreams destroyed as a result will be nothing more than statistics and the cares of other people. These consequences are abstractions to them, but they are not to me, as I can name many of the thousands of the American citizens whose lives will be destroyed by these elitists' ill-conceived ‘global goofiness' campaigns."
Can't wait for barbeque season to begin...
(Yes, I know it was a 4/1 joke...)
I can't tell if this is an ad for the next Final Fantasy game or a cry for help.
From the.. (ahem) MySpace page of the eternally vigilant defenders of "authentic democracy and journalism", Narco News.
Comrades of Narco News,I'm sure thousands of disillusioned voters are going to flock to your MySpace site.
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I have no idea what the heck Marxist-Len-Mao-Femi ideology entails... I mean... unless there's this underclass of thousands of nameless, voiceless American peasant soccer-moms ready to be whipped up for a good ol' fashion commie uprising.
These people hurt my head.
China's inevitable rise risks conflict: Kissinger
[Henry] Kissinger said China's growing political and economic prominence was irreversible, and if the two nations could not cooperate it raised the specter of war.ReOrient, people. ReOrient."When friends and colleagues in the United States talk about the rise of China and the problems it presents to us, I say the rise is inevitable. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, there is nothing we should do to prevent it," Kissinger said.
"When the centre of gravity moves from one region to another, and another country becomes suddenly very powerful, what history teaches you is that conflict is inevitable. What we have to learn is that cooperation is essential," he said in a lecture to the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
hehehe (I know, I'm a nerd.)
Peru to bomb Amazon cocaine labs
The Peruvian President, Alan Garcia, has ordered the use of warplanes to destroy clandestine airstrips and drug laboratories in the Amazon jungle.Alright Presidente Garcia, time to roll up the sleeves and get tough.Mr Garcia said drug barons must also be pursued and warned that Peru could face an insurgency funded by illicit drugs.
Peru must kill the drug-trafficking trade or have to deal with an insurgency like that of neighbouring Colombia, Mr Garcia said.
Peru is the second-largest producer of cocaine in the world after Colombia.
In a characteristically dramatic speech, Mr Garcia said Peru must do away with every last jungle drug factory and secret airstrip by either bombing or machine-gunning them.
This could get interesting.
